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ogbonnaya. brings him down. may be a horse collar. enough for a first down. he's inside the 10. ogbonnaya has come up with two big pass receptions on this drive. 17 moments ago. 14 there. referee: personal foul, horse collar tackle on the defense. half the distance to the goal. first down. solomon: they're going to call it horse collar but if you're james ogbonnaya you have to get him down anyway you can. i thought the horse collar was if you bring them down to the ground by grabbing the back. he grabs him there, slips off. splitting hair as bit but if you're james i head bob, you have to get him down anyway you can because if he gets -- any way you can because if he gets into the end zone you can kiss this one goodbye. 1:51. clock at 1:15 --
first and goal. lewis. there was a block on the side by greco. there wasn't a whole lot of room. no gain on the play. second down and goal at the 4. for those of you expecting to see "60 minutes," you're watching the nfl on cbs, the game between the baltimore ravens and the cleveland browns. our score, 21-18, cleveland. "60 minutes" will be seen in its entirety immediately following this game except on the west coast, where it will be seen at its normally scheduled time. with a time-out, baltimore burning their final. cleveland with one left. 1:47 to playoff. solomon: most of this has been done by jason campbell throwing the football. not many runs here. both teams have struggled to run the ball but in these situations where it's time sensitive you have to continue to allow the run game to work for you and force the ravens to burn those time-outs. kevin: key play on the drive, on that third and 3, campbell
scrambling for 1 -- 12 on a fourth and 1 where he finds bess on the move. second and goal at the 4. mcgahee. i don't think any gain at all. another good stop. arthur jones among a couple making the stop there and losing his hat that time was terrence cody. solomon: but by keeping the ball on the ground they're burning clock. they won't have to snap it until right around the one-minute mark. if you're rob which you would which you had, the ability to manage games in the final seconds, i think is one of the more critical pieces when it comes to winning games and that's where held coaches earn heir keep. kevin: two tight ends. third and goal at the 4. mcgahee. outside. cuts. nice pursuit defensively and again no gain. suggs grabs his former teammate and brings him down.
baltimore cannot stop the clock. you can see it ticking down. solomon: if you're going to either kick the field goal or you use a time-out if you're cleveland. or do you go ahead and take the penalty, move it back a hair? kevin: do you go for it on fourth down then if you don't get that make them go the entire length of the field? solomon: you burn as much time off the clock as you can. kevin: about 18 seconds or so. and cleveland will take the time. solomon: there you go. good clock management by rob chudzinski. kevin: billy cundiff. solomon: does a really good job. he's a fine young coach. we saw them in a game against minnesota manufacture a win on the road against the vikings.
faking special teams, faking punts. faking field goals and throwing it. anything they can do to manufacture points and win a ballgame. kevin: cundiff has had one blocked this season. on the field now. looks like it's going to be a 22-yard try to put them up by six. wind at his back. 22-yard field goal try by cundiff. lanning to hold. 24-18. 14 seconds left. good-looking drive. a run by campbell of 12. -- 12. a catch and run of 17 by ogbonnaya. a reception of 14 by ogbonnaya. they ran 6:30 off the clock.
they get three. their lead is six. 14 seconds. a 15-play drive by which you would which you had's offense. surf and now the story shifts over to the baltimore ravens. we told you over the last six games they'd only allowed 16 points a game. they give up 24 on the road here today against cleveland and now it's on flacco. this offense has got to score more points. evin: tonight on "60 minutes", alabama's head coach nick saban. followed by new episodes of the amazing race, the good wife and "the mentalist." it will be a good way to get ready for the shrew-alabama game next saturday on cbs. john harbaugh was bow i can't last night and felt very confident about his team. solomon: i think this goes back to some of the stories coming into the season. without the likes of ed reed and
ray lewis, where's the leadership coming and can the defense begin to carry this team and at what point does the offense begin to take over as the dominant side of the ball? and plays at least where you can be consistent. joe flacco has to be that component and the offense has to be the part to carry the team. kevin: well, they have eto go a long way. that was not too long ago when they had to do the same thing in the a.f.c. divisional playoff game in denver. jacoby jones got in back of the defender. 70-yard touchdown reception. 30 second left. baltimore would win it in two overtimes on their way to the championship a season ago. let's what flacco has up his short sleeve here. solomon: game of inches, right? kevin: it is indeed. four wild. no time-outs. first and 10. flacco. underneath. gets a pitch to jones from smith
who gets out of bounds. seven second on the clock. haden shoves him out of play. 14-yard gain on the lateral up to the 34-yard line. solomon: seven seconds usually enough time to get the ball down the field. typically about seven seconds per play but you can see the distance they have to go. 66 yards. kevin: they have brown, jones, and torrey smith as receivers. first and 10. flacco has a big arm. underneath. rice. and that's it. cleveland has won. the browns beat baltimore for the first time since 2007. and now cleveland within two games of first-place cincinnati. baltimore will play the bengals next week.
solomon: one might say everything will be on the line for baltimore when they take on the bengals. kevin: jason campbell with three touchdown passes today to beat the defending super bowl champions. for solomon wilcots, kevin harlan saying so long from cleveland. you've been watching the nfl on cbs. boomer esiason, i'll see you tomorrow in green. let's go to you right now in new york. boomer: all right, kevin, thank you very much. and for those of you watching the cleveland browns and pittsburgh steelers, we're going to take you up to new england. the patriots lead the steelers 48-31. let's join jim nantz and phil simms. phil: five minutes to go, three scores, it's going to be tough for the steelers to have a chance. he patriots with no rhythm really for the first seven
games. on the offense. they found it today and i think it's only going to get better going forward. gronkowski is going to get healthier, even better than we saw. amendola and dobson, of course, getting it done. jim: first down, spinning away. not this time. tackled at the 14. it will go in the books as a sack for andre carter, who came back to the patriots a week ago after two years ago having 10 sacks and a very big 2011 campaign here. second and 16. and again -- this time hightower on roethlisberger.
gets away. 37.he's up to about the just want to welcome those of you who saw cleveland defeat the defending super bowl champion baltimore ravens. how about that a.f.c. north? you have cincinnati-cleveland one-two and baltimore and pittsburgh three-four. phil: how about that? jim: jim nantz, phil simms here in foxborough. been a big day here for the two quarterbacks. roethlisberger. has a completion to sanders at the 48. consider that both roethlisberger and brady did not even have a three-touchdown game, either one of them, coming into this one and they've both thrown for four touchdowns today.
that's intercepted. no one there but harmon. and the rookie has an interception for the second straight week. and whimper ends the return. and that interception much like the one he had last week. no one around him and he just happened to be playing center field and caught it with no one around him. phil: yeah, and just going by the body language and watching everybody, it looks like the wrong route was run on the outside. ben roethlisberger doing everything he can not to yell at somebody. and even mike tomlin, as i watched him come over to the sideline just go, let it go and move on. the pittsburgh steelers giving up all these points. not having the answers on the
efensive side. jim: to the 10 and the last man gets him, polamalu. running behind connolly. phil: legarrette blount hesitates in the hole. oh, there's nobody there. the blocking, nobody getting off the blocks. you have to keep playing. jim: ike taylor hurt. this is a new england team that four times this season had not even managed 300 yards total offense that carry by blount puts them over 600 today. 606 yards for the patriots, including 432 by brady, third highest of his career. ridley over 100. you see the patriots go into a bye now. phil: every schedule looks tough when you put it up there.
it's the nfl. at carolina, denver, of course. at houston. cleveland, they're no easy out. at miami. jim: this marks the, if you will, game nine for new england, start of the second half of the season. in the last three years when you take their ninth through 16th games, they've been 23-1, the patriots. they talked about in our meetings with them, you know, it's going to start to get cold around here, gets to be patriot kind of weather, patriot time of the year. first and goal here. nocking on the door on 50. blount. wants to carry a couple with him. how about that effort for a touchdown? phil: i tell you, this will be -- give the patriots credit. i've said it many times. they played for 60 minutes and
this is a concern when you look at the steelers. i know you can't win the game, but when you just let a runner have contact and nobody comes to help the tackler -- look at this. there's nowhere to go. jim: that's mcclendon who has ahold of him. phil: a couple of guys do hustle. i'll give them the benefit of the doubt. mcclendon knocks off -- they both are trying so hard they knock each other off the tackle but i didn't see any other steelers rushing to help them out. jim: it's been a strange year. the steelers have given up plays so unsteeler-like. last week the 93-yard run on the first play of the game. saw an 81-yard touchdown to dobson earlier in quarter. that lack of tackle. we were in london when jennings shed about four tackles and took
it about 70 yards for a touchdown for minnesota. phil: that says it all. 55 points, the most in team history. there's going to be a meeting in pittsburgh and it's not going to be talking about playoffs, what can we do to get back in this? this is about starting over. you have to go back to the drawing board on both sides of the ball and decide as a team and individuals what we are going to do to rectify what's gone on. jim: here's the steelers' upcoming schedule. last place in the n.f.c. north. they've non-not been last in the division since 1988, 25 seasons ago. phil: in the nfl sometimes teams look at their opponent and go, you know, if we just play pretty good, we could -- now the steelers are one of those teams. look, if we play pretty good, we are going to win the game. jim: since that playoff game at denver a couple of years ago --
him. remember, this was a 14-point new england lead at halftime and then pittsburgh caught a spark. got an early takeaway in the third quarter and then scored two touchdowns to tie it only to see new england come back and go on a roll. and regain control of this one. phil: you got 2:32. of course, no chance to win it. you have to be careful here. don't leave a receiver in trouble and don't make -- let your quarterback take any unnecessary hits. im: sanders for another seven. the a.f.c. east with the jets a really surprising 5-4, doing a really good job of being able to come back from some loss that is didn't look so good only to rebound. they did that against
pittsburgh, losing. came back and beat the patriots. got funked by cincinnati and today beat new orleans. nd there's miller. but the patriots on top at 7-2 with the two-minute warning. in use chase freedom at amazon.com and get 5% cash back this quarter. so you can find the perfect gift for everyone. including you. activate your 5% cash back at chase.com/freedom chase. so you can.
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jim: we're back for the final two minutes. jim nantz, phil simms. we were talking going into the game that the patriots have to find different ways to win because they don't win the way they used to do. today that's not the case. phil: we thought can the patriots find a way to scratch a few points out and win a close, low-scoring game? once again my prognosticationes are off but they have to feel great with what they've done on the offensive side. you get confidence, you can start performing to the utmost of your athletic ability. jim: incomplete. you're talking about three 100-yard receivers in
gronkowski, amendola, a 100-yard rusher in ridley and a 400-yard passer today. phil: i said it earlier, i would run the football to end this game because of that jim: exactly. phil: just end the game. jim: carter has already hit him once and sacked him here in the last -- late going. it's back to the shotgun on second and 10. phil: it's not giving up if you do it. it's smart football. jim: bell weaves through the secondary to the patriots' 43. sixth time in the history of the league that combo i just gave you, three 100-yard receivers, each with a touchdown. that's part of it. by the way, that completion picked up enough yardage to give roethlisberger 400 yards on the nose. and he side arms it out of
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let's give them shoutouts, our oadcast associates and our technical manager pete kollander. our audio supervisor ed soltice. bell cut back outside and missed tackle by logan ryan. our stats provided by ethan cooperston and todd boerstein. our field stage manager jimmy hatter and our booth supervisor and audio assistant is the great kevin mchale. so 44 seconds and counting and a ourth down on the way. and now the patriots can take it and neill on it and put -- kneel on it and put it in the books. roethlisberger walks off the
field with a 400-yard game, four touchdowns and two interceptions. phil: good day by ben roethlisberger. the one interception really tough against him but threw the ball overall magnificently. competed like he always does and there's a lot of problems in pittsburgh. the quarterback is not one of hem. jim: 55-31 is going to be your inal here. we had between the two teams 1,089 yards of total offense with the patriots putting up 610 pittsburgh falls to 2-6. the patriots improve to 7-2.
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since congress passed a law banning the defendants from setting foot on u.s. soil, everyone involved in the case has to go there. every six weeks for the last year and a half, general martins and his team of prosecutors, defense lawyers, bailiffs, interpreters-- about 250 people in all-- are airlifted aboard a government charter to the u.s. naval base at guantanamo bay, cuba, at a cost of $90,000 a flight. >> hello, everyone, and welcome back to guantanamo bay, cuba, pearl of the antilles. >> stahl: when the trial begins more than a year from now, it'll be the biggest war crimes tribunal since nuremberg, and much of the burden rests on general martins' shoulders. so, when it's a military tribunal or commission, how is it different from a civilian proceeding? >> mark martins: the similarities really swamp the differences. i mean, the accused is presumed
innocent, the prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. >> stahl: general martins knows a lot's at stake-- the 9/11 defendants must be seen as getting a fair and legitimate hearing. >> martins: we've got to ensure that what we do in these cases is justice and can't be accused of being vengeance. and that's a great challenge. >> stahl: now, we have talked to some of the defense attorneys and they've told us it's a show trial. >> martins: mm-hmm. >> stahl: it's a charade. >> martins: well, i mean, i don't think the test of any system is what the defense counsel say about it. >> stahl: but hard as he tries to ensure that it's seen as a fair trial, he keeps running into one obstacle after the next, starting with the reputation of the venue itself, guantanamo bay, where 164 detainees sit in cells, most of them for nearly 12 years. and, except for the 9/11 five, most have not been charged.
one of them cried out when he saw our cameras. >> please, we are tired. either you leave us to die in peace, or either tell the world the truth. let the world hear what's happening. >> stahl: 12 years with no charges. >> martins: that's one of the reasons i have a sense of urgency to try everybody that we can try. >> stahl: does it, in any way, taint what you're doing? >> martins: i wouldn't characterize it as "taint." i believe that it influences people's perceptions. >> stahl: another thing that influences perceptions is the elephant in the courtroom-- the question of torture. all five of the 9/11 defendants were held incommunicado for years at cia "black" sites, where they were subjected to "harsh interrogation techniques." they were legal at the time, but have since been banned by the obama administration. walid bin attash's attorney,
cheryl bormann, says she's not allowed to talk about the interrogations because they've been classified. was your client water-boarded? >> cheryl bormann: i can't answer that question. a proposed protective order bans me from telling you anything i know about what happened to my client, beginning from the moment of his capture in 2003 until the moment that he landed in guantanamo bay in 2006. >> stahl: so, if you were to tell me that he was subjected to a specific harsh interrogation technique, you would be breaking a law, you would be...? >> bormann: i would be. >> stahl: ...convicted of something? >> bormann: i would be prosecuted and imprisoned for, i believe, up to 30 years. >> david nevin: this is not a system that is set up to deliver justice. >> stahl: david nevin represents khalid sheikh mohammed-- "ksm"-- known as the architect of 9/11. considering that ksm has admitted to the worst terrorist attack on u.s. soil, you would think the case might be open- and-shut. but part of the problem is that
he was water-boarded 183 times in one month. nevin filed this declaration detailing the treatment of his client. but after the censors got through with it, this is all that made it into the public record. >> nevin: think about this for a minute. the government says they can't talk publicly about what happened to them because it's classified. if the government didn't want to reveal its secrets to them, it shouldn't have tortured them, and yet... >> stahl: well, no, no. the government said, "we were trying to stop the next terrorist attack." they're not all totally evil, right? >> bormann: good intentions... of course not. good intentions pave the road to hell, though, right? >> stahl: what about statements ksm made during the water- boarding? the law says any evidence obtained through harsh interrogation techniques is inadmissible. but there's a loophole. >> martins: it is possible for a voluntary statement to be made after a passage of time at... in
a different location, perhaps with different questioners. >> stahl: and so, once the cia's harsh interrogations of the five 9/11 defendants stopped, the fbi sent in a so-called "clean team" to question them all over again, but without coercion. and those statements are admissible. >> bormann: it's like alice going down the rabbit hole, right? you torture him for three years. you keep him in captivity after you stop torturing him in a place like guantanamo bay. and then, you send in agents from the same government that tortured him for three years to take statements. and then, if you're general martins, you say, "well, those are now clean." guess what. they're not. >> martins: i understand, i understand the argument. the people do not forfeit their chance for accountability because someone may have crossed a line or have coerced or subjected to harsh measures somebody who is in custody. >> stahl: so you're saying that
it's unfair to the justice system not to be able to question these guys later. >> martins: the point that i reject and that the law rejects is that there can be no voluntary statements following an instance of coercion. justice requires that you look deeper, that you determine if the statement, even though there had been a prior instance, was nevertheless voluntary. and there can be such statements. >> stahl: navy commander walter ruiz is a military attorney representing mustafa al-hawsawi. >> walter ruiz: general martins, i respect him. i believe he is a patriot. i believe that if our government asked him to sell ice to eskimos, he would try his best, if he believed it was in our nation's interest. but ultimately, you have a system where we've classified evidence of war crimes, where you have loopholes for torture and coercion. every day we listen to the national anthem in guantanamo bay, cuba, but yet the
constitution has been kicked down the road and is persona non grata in guantanamo bay, cuba. >> nevin: at the end of the day, i think we all have to look at each other and say, "are we doing this?" >> stahl: your client, ksm, he admits that he was the mastermind of 9/11. he didn't wear a military uniform. he wasn't on a real, traditional battlefield. he hid among civilians. this is a bad guy, by his own confession. >> nevin: yeah, you know, lesley... >> stahl: you're not saying he's not the mastermind? >> nevin: here's what i'm saying. i'm saying that, in the united states, we have a process. we follow it. we've always followed it. we apply it to everyone, except not now. >> stahl: there will be a lot of firsts in this trial by military commission, given the cia's tactics, the unique nature of the crime, and unprecedented legal questions that are now being fought over in pre-trial motions at this high-security legal complex.
this is the first time cameras were allowed to videotape where the trial will take place. this is the courtroom where the first american war crimes trial is taking place since world war ii. these tables are for the defendants, one each for the 9/11 five. and this is for khalid sheikh mohammed, the self-confessed mastermind of 9/11. he's defendant number one, as you can clearly see. and this is where he sits. he has his own screen to read court documents. if he wants to hear the arabic translation, it comes out through that box. while we were here, he appeared in court in a long henna-dyed red beard and a military camouflage jacket over a long white robe. he sat here quietly and calmly. if he had acted up, he could have been shackled. when court is in session, the defendants are transported from
a secret facility on the base, known as "camp 7", to these holding cells where they stay till they're escorted to the courtroom. they're on the so-called "black mile corridor" beneath dark sniper meshing that camouflages the walkway. this is khalid sheikh mohammed's holding cell, an 8 x 12-foot steel air-conditioned room with an arrow pointing toward mecca for when he prays. the defendants are under constant surveillance, even, their lawyers claim, when they're not supposed to be, another complication. >> bormann: i'm meeting with my client in a room. and up on the ceiling, like you would normally find in a jail with a client, there's a smoke detector. and one day, i'm sitting in there and my client stops one of the correctional guards and says, "that's... what is that? you're listening, aren't you?" and... and the guard says, "of course we're not listening. that's a smoke detector." >> stahl: she believed the
guard, but decided to look up the manufacturer of the smoke detector on google. >> bormann: and it turns out that they only make listening devices that are intended to look like smoke detectors and other surreptitious listening devices. we find this out while we're in guantanamo. i go, "what?" >> stahl: motions were filed, witnesses were called, and while it was confirmed that the smoke detector actually was a listening device, the judge determined that general martins and his team were not eavesdropping. but the defense lawyers suspect it was the cia, and they base that on something that happened this past january. >> nevin: i was speaking one day in the courtroom and making innocuous, unclassified remarks, and suddenly the red hockey light goes off. >> stahl: when the red hockey light went off, everything stopped. that's only supposed to happen when classified information is disclosed, and the only ones authorized to activate the light
are the judge or the court's security officer. >> nevin: i looked at the judge and i looked at his court security officer. and both of them looked at each other as if to say, "i didn't do it. did you?" >> stahl: so who did it? >> martins: i don't know. >> stahl: you actually don't know to this day who did it? were you horrified? >> martins: i don't get horrified or not. i stay in that band between grim determination and tempered optimism. >> stahl: the judge found out who did it-- the cia. wait a minute, are they in the courtroom? >> nevin: no, they're not in the courtroom. >> stahl: where are they? >> nevin: i don't know. i'd like to know. >> stahl: so wait, they're... >> nevin: i've demanded to know, but the government won't tell me. >> stahl: do you think that the cia has any kind of right to keep listening because these were terrorists, or they're charging that they were terrorists. they believe that these guys were bad guys, who did a dastardly deed. >> nevin: the constitution
guarantees everybody certain rights. and one of them is that you don't listen in on the lawyers in a serious capital case. you just don't do it. >> stahl: the defense teams say that the cia has a completely different agenda from yours. >> martins: we are going to do these trials fairly. all these allegations they can raise, and we have a process to sort that out. >> stahl: i've heard people say, "look, he's trying ksm. why are we contorting ourselves? these guys slaughtered 3,000 innocent people. this was not the battlefield; these were people going to work." >> martins: well, i understand the point of the view and the criticism. the law requires, and justice requires, the prosecution must present proof beyond a reasonable double before we hold someone guilty. and we aim to dispense justice that we can be proud of.
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but lamborghini of italy celebrates its 50th anniversary this year-- 50 years of creating the world's most exotic super- cars, and 50 years of dodging bankruptcy. no, a car company like that wouldn't last. ready to go. but then, lamborghini never was a car company; it's a builder of fantasies. whoa! wow! you don't realize how overused the word "breathtaking" is until something actually takes your breath away. >> mario fasanetto: if you open aggressive the throttle, you have 570 horsepower. >> pelley: oh, magnificent. >> fasanetto: ( laughs ) >> pelley: lamborghini test driver mario fasanetto finds the limits in the cars... >> fasanetto: more, more, more, more, more... >> pelley: ...though, this time on bologna's imola race track, the limits belonged to the driver... >> fasanetto: go close, close, close to the curb, to the curb, the curb, the curb, then let run out.
>> pelley: ...not to the 200 mile an hour, $200,000 lamborghini gallardo. >> fasanetto: brake, brake, brake, brake, more, brake, brake more, more, more >> pelley: i'm not making you nervous, am i? >> fasanetto: no. >> pelley: maybe he's calm because this is the least expensive lamborghini. there's a $400,000 car and a $4 million car, but before we see those, have a look at how much road lamborghini has put between its cars of today and their humble beginnings. the creator, the late ferruccio lamborghini, was a wealthy builder of tractors, the john deere of italy. morley safer met him in our first story on lamborghini in 1987. mr. lamborghini collected ferraris, but he found the clutches weak. the story goes he complained to enzo ferrari, who said, "stick to tractors, i'll build the cars."
in italy, insult is the mother of invention. lamborghini sought to teach ferrari a lesson with lavish interiors, brawling v-12 engines, and style like nothing else. the namesake loved spain's traditional sport, so each model is named for famous bulls. the latest beast to bolt into the ring is the aventador. the transmission has three settings-- it has "road," "sport," and "race." >> fasanetto: "race," you have to set "race"! >> pelley: i'm not sure everybody should select "race" on this car. we didn't race through northern italy because of traffic, and because our jet helicopter with our camera can fly only 170 miles an hour. the aventador will do 217, zero to 60 in under three seconds.
while 700 horsepower propels you forward, the aventador will set you back between $400,000 and $500,000. are we still on the right road for lamborghini? >> fasanetto: yes, next roundabout on the left. >> pelley: we're coming into the town of sant'agata in what italians call "motor valley." this is the original factory? >> fasanetto: yes, there is just one lamborghini, the original. >> pelley: the original factory floor is thoroughly modern now. it's spotless, which seems to be a point of pride in that-- even the floors are squeaky clean. but it's also an old-fashioned place where hands know the feel of a bolt properly torqued and eyes judge each pane perfectly placed. ranieri niccoli is their industrial director. you know what i didn't see on your assembly line that i see on every automotive assembly line? >> ranieri niccoli: tell me. >> pelley: robots. >> niccoli: no way.
clear, no way. no, all the lamborghini are done by people, italian people from sant'agata. this is... this is our value. no way for robots. >> pelley: ford builds about 23,000 vehicles a day; lamborghini builds 11, each purchased a year in advance, each unique. how many colors do you offer? >> niccoli: whatever you want. >> pelley: any color i want? >> niccoli: yeah, basically, we try to fill out the requests of our customers >> pelley: i can walk in with my favorite tie. >> niccoli: or with the... or your... or with the bag of your wife, yes. >> pelley: has any woman ever matched the car to her handbag? >> niccoli: yes. ( laughter ) it happens. >> pelley: no, really. >> niccoli: yeah, really, it's funny. we see here pink cars or strange colors, really. >> pelley: the customer is king? >> niccoli: yes, of course. >> pelley: as we walked the plant with niccoli, we were struck by a sharp division of labor. nearly everyone on this assembly line is a man. but if you go over to where the
interior is done, nearly everyone is a woman. why is that? >> niccoli: i can tell you this. we really need women on the... on the interior. because the precision that the women has, unfortunately, we as men, we don't have that. >> pelley: we don't have the precision? >> niccoli: not the precision and the manuality to really... to create a masterpiece like our interior. >> pelley: the car is male on the outside and female on the inside? >> niccoli: ( laughs ) let's say it like this. yeah, it could be. >> pelley: these don't look like any other car on the road. something that makes you smile. ( laughter ) the guy with the proud father look is filippo perini, the chief designer in charge of the look of lamborghini. when we were driving the aventador today on the road, there was a truck, and the passenger in the truck turned around to take a picture of the car. they want to take our picture. why does that happen? >> filippo perini: because we are in italy; people love beautiful cars. >> pelley: perini runs this
shop, where designers who love beautiful cars take their inspiration, we're told, from the contours of insects and fighter planes. do you ever design something and show it to the engineers, and the engineers say, "we can't build that"? >> perini: yeah, yeah, it's all... it happened always like this. >> the driver, steering wheel... >> pelley: when we asked perini for lamborghini's dna, he drew a single arc. that is a lamborghini line. >> perini: this is a... really a lamborghini line, this is our own way to produce cars. >> pelley: an uninterrupted line from front to rear. it's very beautiful and it is completely impractical. there is no trunk. >> perini: no, we have a good trunk in front. >> pelley: all right. yeah. but if you want your golf clubs, you're going to have to have another car. >> perini: i think, with a car like this, you won't have time to do golf. >> pelley: you won't want to play golf because